16th Oct, 2008

Forex Funnel EA

I was not in intention to test this Forex Funnel system as I can see this EA uses martingale system. Actually I’m not the fan of martingale system.

What is martingale system ?

From what I know, Martingale System is a trading method using strategy to open multiplying lots on the next trade to cover its previous loss positions. This is why the system needs huge margin and high risk classified. Martingale system is good on ranging market, but will be suffer in strong trending market.

On their website - www.forexfunnel.com - you can see that they say:
ANYONE can profit from the forex funnel system even with no knowledge and no trading experience, take a look at the video below - this is the money you have already missed out on by not getting the forex funnel system earlier. DON’T WAIT ANY LONGER.

Well.. I must say to you that it’s not 100% true. Forex is just like any other business. You have to learn anything about the business you do to make profits. And risk comes from NOT knowing what you are doing.

This EA uses a bit different approach from any other martingale system EA. First the EA will open buy and sell orders at about the same time using the lot you set on the setting parameters. Then the EA will open a multiplying lots sell limit order a few pips above the current price hoping to get a few pips profit from the retrace.

I define this EA as a high risk system as when the price is moving too fast without any retrace, the EA will continue open wrong position trades in multiplying lots. And you can imagine what could be happened on this situation : margin call !

Since the beginning of my exploration, I always look for EA which is able to use $50 margin in micro lot account or $5,000 margin in standard account. Some of you may know that $50 margin in micro lot account is equal to $5,000 margin in standard account. So, I test this EA using $5,000 on demo standard account and 0.1 as its first level lot.
Last week I recommend a friend of mine to test this EA as I saw this EA was survived in USD/JPY 492 pips down on October 6th’s strong downtrend ( 105.16 to 100.24). It even made some profits while other martingale EA tested by my friend has ended up with a margin call. Then he started to test forex funnel on October 10th, 2008. And then we saw his demo account was ended up with margin call on October 14th, 2008 morning. His demo account can’t stand for 230 pips strong uptrend of USD/JPY which rallied from 99.74 to 102.05 without any considerable retraces. His demo account used 25K initial balance and 0.1 first level lot.

Funnel Duyduyfx
The interesting part is, my demo account still survive until today. So what’s the different ?

My friend tested the EA on his VPS which is online 24 hours. While I test it part timely not using VPS. I only connect my computer when I work at office and at home before I sleep. Mostly I turn off the EA when I go to sleep during the US session.

On the other word, you have to supervise the EA works and do something necessary when you spot something wrong with it.
Funnle Abiyanto

What could be wrong then ?

I usually turned off the EA when I spot strong uptrend and the lot is approaching to 6.4 lot. I turned off the EA without closing any positions manually. I’m not saying that this is a good decision, as the floating minus could be huge and we still don’t know where the price would be going.

I know, the good EA should work without any human interventions. But in this case, I just need to test how long this EA can be survive with low margin and high risk market.

During my 3 weeks test, the balance is increasing 100% form $5,000 into $11,563.41. Well, high risk… high gain. Once again, I should remind you that this is a very high risk EA.
Have a safe trading !

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Hi Abiyanto,

I’m Jeffrey from Malaysia, i’m have trading for almost a year, but still cant really make money…. I realised that we i loss, i loss 30 pips, when i win i only win 10pips…… can u pls give me some advice,,,,, thx you in advance

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for visiting my blog.
I’m also a newbie just like you are.

Just add my Yahoo ID to your messenger list, then we can discuss if there’s anything I can do to help you.

Cheers…

siang boz abi…
sehat boz… numpang lewat nich

Bapak Abiyanto,

Saya berminat tentang Martingale EA that grow from 5,000 to 11,000. Boleh saya dapatkan ? Atau untuk dijual ? . I believe Martingale EA collects money very well. But you must be heavily capitalised.

Terimakasih.

Hi Mr. Salleh,

Thanks for visiting my blog.
Martingale EA is extremely dangerous EA. It collects money fast, but it can whipsaw all of your margin at anytime as well.

I have been testing this EA for quite some times to make it less risky. But it’s not going as well as I expected yet. Please read also my other post about this EA:

However, I will keep you informed.

Bapak Abiyanto,

Kalau boleh, can I try demo that Martingale EA, if possible. Does it work like WSS Pyramid EA. WSS EA is good, did demo before, but, like I said, must have sacks of money. Easy 200 pips a day.

Thanks.

Wonderful analysis mr. Abiyanto. I also have experience with other EA, and same case with you and your friend between profit and MC.
And the conclusion is time when will start to entering market.

Hi Abiyanto; I like to analyze the flow and patters of charts. I also demo traded Funnel. It is a dangerous EA. I had a thought I told a programmer friend of mine to create an Ea to watch Funnel. I only wanted him to turn off the EA on any closed trade that is a loss. Then start it back up fresh. I had not given him any details on when or how agressive to turn it on. I still need to feed him the data. I have been demo trading Fapturbo. I will be going live with it shortly. The only trick is to select a broker whos spread is 6 or under during the Asia opening, The EURGBP is the only currency to trade on that one. I am in Indianapolis, IN USA. I like your testing and comments. It is 1AM here. I must go - Les

Hi Les,

I really appreciate your time. You wrote this comment even in the middle of the night. LOL.

Yes, I agree that Funnel is very dangerous EA on small margin. But there are many users happy to live with it. :)

I myself. not use it on real account and stop testing it due to my limited time.

About EUR/GBP, I notice many brokers increase the spread to fight against scalpers which uses other EA. For FAP Turbo, I think there are alternative pairs you could trade on. Just read their manual, as I’m not really sure about it.

Thank you for your comment. I have a friend that wrote some code to record broker spreads on different currency pairs. I will be testing it in a week or so. I will be offline for about a week. LOL on your trading. - Les

Hi Everyone..

I have been trading Funnel for a couple of months unfortunately The creator is not clear enough for all the traders out there…

You need to be awared of a few things when trading this EA.

If you are going to trade this EA you need to follow this simple instructions and you will make 2% to 3% profit per week.

if you have the following account this is what you must do:

$1000 Acc only trade NANO LOTS
$10K Acc only trade MICRO LOTS
$100K Acc only trade MINI LOTS
$1000K Acc only trade STANDARD LOTS

DO NOT compound with this EA

DO NOT trade HIGH IMPACT annoucements’

When you double your acc just open another account, and keep doing the same.

If you follow this simple instructions you will be fine.

Cheers
FxSeer

Hello Fxseer, thanks for your tips on using Forex Funnel EA. I think it may be useful for other traders.

No worries abiyanto…

Anything i can help with…

If you have any other questions you can email me.

it was a very quite week this 2nd week of april only made 1.5% profit for the week.

How many of you guys are trading this EA live?

Do you guys know that if you trade this EA conservative in 5 years you can potentially have 10 accs of $10K each and your first acc of $100K and ready to say good buy to your job.

this is if you start off trading micro lots.

if you start off trading nano lots it will probably be 9 to 10 years.

Hi FxSeer,

Thanks for the tips.
But if I may advise you, please withdraw your profit regularly.

IMHO keeping your money in broker’s pocket — for 5 - 10 years ( long term ) — is not a good idea. Especially when we’re talking about BIG $$$ like $100K.

It’s too risky, anything could be happened between those 5-10 years period.

I prefer do my own strategy : get in, take what I can get and then get out as quick as possible. For example, I play with small money i.e $1,000, get the profit of the same amount in 2 or 3 months, I take my own money, then I play with the profit to make it grows.

Hi abiyanto.

I understand what you are saying.

We have 2 different approch to this Funnel system.

Yours is to get in and take out as much as you can and hope you dont get a big move and get wiped out.

My strategy is more for the long term approach, get in and slowly ripped small profits day by day, with a HUGE buffer where to get wiped out would have to be a move of more than 400 pips without retracing before getting wiped out, which is very unlikely to happen without a HIGH impact annoucement.

Also

You need to be dealing with reputable brokers, I would not risk $100K on any brokers unless they are heavely regulated, for instance I would be dealing with MIG broker which are heavely regulated.

My $10K account, I withdraw my profits every month which averages $600 per month, as I am not compounding i dont need the profits on this account.

The problem with $1K acc, if you are using my strategy, you cant make much profit as i would not trade micro lots only nano lots and you will get an average of $60 per month, unless you want to risk your $1000 to get more high returns.

What other EAs are you trading ?

Hi FxSeer,

Yes, you are right. We have different approach about making profit. But as long as it is safe and profitable, I think that would be OK.

Currently I use my own developed EA to trade USD/JPY pair. And I’m happy enough to get $200-$600 per month from my $1K deposit for the past 3 months.

Well, it’s a high risk system, yet I still enjoy it so far.

Cheers.

I heard of this new Forex Robot Expert Advisor coming out in December 2009 called 4XGREED, only 1000 copies supposed to be sold.
http://4xgreed.com

Hi abiyanto

I also have Funnel and am testing it on a small live account for about 2 weeks now. All was going well, had 60% return until Friday night. Funnel opened a trade in a uptrend during the night while I was in bed. The market closed and Funnel ended the trades loosing all the profit that was made during the week.

Is there anyway I could avoid this from happening again? Should I turn off Funnel on Friday night before going to bed to avoid loosing trades at the close.

Chris, you don’t need the buy trade, just disable the BUY trades on your robot, go to the EA properties and allowed only SELL trades.

Dont need to turn the EA off on fridays.

I am a bit worried about your account tho, you said you had a small live account trading funnel,
you have to make sure you have $10K at least to trade this EA using micro lots or $100K if using mini lots.

I am just tellling you this because it will be futile trading this EA with a small account.

Is there a way of limiting the lot size that the Forex Funnel can place when it’s on a losing streak? e.g. via the MT4 platform?

Cheers, Jim

Just to clarify my above question, I know how to set the starting lot size in the EA Properties area, I meant is there a way of limiting the max lot size the the EA can open on future trades once it starts losing?

Cheers again, Jim

Hi Jim,

I’m not sure about the latest version of Forex Funnel EA. But for the version which I tested, it’s impossible to do so. The trades only will be closed when they are in profit.

OR when your account got margin call due to lot size’s overtrading :)

Anyone with latest version of this EA, please share the experience.

Thanks.

I have been using forex funnel for 2 yrs. Both on a live and many demo accounts. It seems to blow once the account value gets past 20k. Any larger news sets the martigale system up to the moon.I always turn off the bot on the first friday of the month. Im using $1500 to start, I trade 2 pairs up and another 2 pairs opposive. I start at 0.02 and I make an average of $100 a day. Take your profits every other month and dont worry if the bot tanks.You still have a nest to restart the next day. or split the account and restart at 2k again. Math wise, the bot seems to accelerate faster with higher funds than the normal martigale system. I never let mine go past 4k with out pulling profits.

@Garry:
Wow… that’s am awesome tips, man…
May I know what pairs you let this EA to trade ?
Thanks.

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